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ANDOVER PLANNING COMMISSION

SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE

September 9, 2003

Minutes

 

The Andover City Subdivision Committee met for a regular meeting on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 at 909 N. Andover Road in the Andover Civic Center.  Chairman Lynn Heath called the meeting to order at 5:38 p.m. The other member present was Ron Roberts. Others in attendance were Zoning Administrator Les Mangus, Administrative Secretary Deborah Carroll, and City Clerk/Administrator Jeff Bridges.  Committee members Clark Nelson and David Martine were absent.

Call to Order

 

 

 

Review of the minutes from the August 12, 2003 Subdivision Committee meeting.

 

Ron Roberts made a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Lynn Heath seconded the motion. Motion carried 2/0.

 

Planning Commission meeting minutes from August 19, 2003 and the Potential Residential Development Lot Reports were reviewed and approved.  

Review of the minutes from the August 12, 2003 Subdivision Committee meeting.

 

 

Review the proposed Amendment to the Amended Preliminary Planned Unit Development Plan for the Flint Hills National Golf Club.

 

Jason Gish from MKEC Engineering Consultants, Inc. said the owner is asking for a zoning change from R-1 to R-2 in a portion of Phase 4, in the southeast corner of the PUD. This is to adjust the platting for the current market, which shows buyers want smaller lots.

 

Mr. Gish said the southeast corner lots are more "pristine" than those in the northwest corner are. More of the native grasses are being preserved in Parcels 4A and 4B. Utilities will be routed around these lots to preserve the native grasses. They will be trying to stay uniform in this area by returning 40% of each lot to native grasses.

 

Jeff Bridges asked how many new lots are being created. Jason Gish said it is being changed from 188 to 248 total dwelling units in the entire 640 acres. Les Mangus said there would be an addition of 60 single-family and 32 guesthouse units. Mr. Gish said there is some flexibility in the text of the General Provisions pertaining to total lot numbers.

 

Les Mangus said this property is mostly zoned R-1 with the exception of a portion of Parcel 1 and a parcel in Phase 2. He wants the zoning changed to R-2 to allow for smaller lots. These lots are planned as 1 acre to 3 acres in size.

 

There was general discussion about lot sizes. Minimum lot size is over 10,000 square feet with an additional 50% in green space.

 

Jeff Bridges asked if there was going to be a homeowners association. Jason said that it would be supplied with the developer agreement. 

 

Jeff Bridges asked what phase this is. Jason said it is 4A and 4B. Jason said he is not sure what order the houses will be built in.

 

Les Mangus said these patio homes are similar in size to the ones from the first phase.

 

Lynn Heath asked if the street names have been changed. Jason said this would be done before the next Planning Commission meeting.

 

Jason Gish submitted a preliminary drainage plan. He said the water would flow from south to north on this property.

 

Most of the sewer drainage will be gravity flow, but there may be a lift station required on Block 8, Lot 1 to serve most of Phase 4.

 

Les Mangus said an intersepter has been designed up from the plant and up to the west side of Flint Hills in such a manor that the entire southeast corner with the exception of 5 acres in the corner is gravity flow. Through all the modifications that have been made, the pipe comes up higher than it should have, so they will have to pump some lots back. Jason said they are not sure which option will be most cost effective.

 

Les Mangus asked for the location of existing utilities in the area to be drawn on the plans. Les Mangus said the sewer line would be a 3/4-mile pipeline.

 

Les Mangus said that most of the houses are considerably further than 35' back from the street. He asked if the goal is to keep the neighborhood looking uniform. Jason said the street has enough undulation in it that it is difficult to tell if the houses are lined up. He said that in most cases there would be a 100' building setback. He further stated they try to plat property for what ever the zoning regulations will allow, but they will go beyond the minimum requirements for greenspace.

 

Les Mangus said these are all private streets and on the smaller lots they are platting a 32' right-of-way that is right behind the curb so the houses can be 25- 30 feet from the curb. Most of the garages on the houses in this area are required to be side loaded by the restrictive covenants.

 

Jeff Bridges left the meeting at 6:10 p.m.

 

There was general discussion about the houses that have already been constructed in this area, some of which are spec homes.

 

Lynn Heath went through the staff comments from Les. Mr. Heath asked if the same entity owns all the reserve areas. Jason said he guessed there would be some that are owned by other people.

 

Les Mangus said that potential owners of property along Prairie Creek Road must drive 1.5 miles to reach an arterial street. At some point in time, the city will have to demand that Flint Hills National Parkway road be finished. Jason said there is emergency access to Prairie Creek Road provided in this phase.

 

Les Mangus said a vicinity map needs to be provided. He further said a statement needs to be provided stating the streets will be private, the water and sewer will be public, and financed by special assessments as money is available.

 

Jason said that the water run off in this area would be clean filtered water that flows through the natural areas.

 

Les Mangus asked if the runoff would be controlled by restricting pipe sizes or with detention/ retention ponds. Jason said he thinks they have some of the stormdrain pipes undersized to help hold the water in some of the ditch areas but that is a limited solution. He said the ground has a greater chance of absorbing water with all the natural areas rather than by channelizing it. Les Mangus said to be at 0 increases at the 100 year storm you can slow the water down going through a pipe because it is all about the rate, not the amount. Mr. Mangus compared this to the Dillons project stating that the water ponds for a short time in the parking lot then runs down into the storm sewer system.

Jason stated there are guesthouses that are available that will be built during each phase. Les Mangus said there has always been a statement in the general provisions allowing for a maximum number of guesthouses.

 

Lynn Heath said to note the minimum lot size on the plat.

 

Lynn Heath made a motion to recommend this Amended PUD to the Planning Commission for approval with the staff comments from Les. Ron Roberts seconded the motion. Motion carried 2/0.

Review the proposed Amendment to the Amended Preliminary Planned Unit Development Plan for the Flint Hills National Golf Club.

 

 

 

Member items: none

Member items:

 

 

A motion was made by Lynn Heath, seconded by Ron Roberts, to adjourn the meeting at 6:27 p.m.  Motion carried 2/0.

 

Adjournment

 

Respectfully Submitted by

 

 

 

__________________________

Deborah Carroll

Administrative Secretary

 

Approved this 10th day of October 2003 by the Andover City Planning Commission/ Board of Zoning Appeals, City of Andover.