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ANDOVER PLANNING COMMISSION

SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE

November 11, 2003

Minutes

 

The Andover City Subdivision Committee met for a regular meeting on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 909 N. Andover Road in the Andover Civic Center.  Chairman Lynn Heath called the meeting to order at 5:37 p.m. Other members present were Clark Nelson, Ron Roberts, and David Martine. Others in attendance were Zoning Administrator Les Mangus, Administrative Secretary Deborah Carroll. City Clerk/Administrator Jeff Bridges was absent.

Call to Order

 

 

 

Review the minutes of October 14, 2003 meeting.

 

Clark Nelson made a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Ron Roberts seconded the motion. Motion carried 3/0/1. David Martine abstained from voting.

Review the minutes of October 14, 2003 meeting.

 

 

Review the minutes of the October 21, 2003 Planning Commission meeting.

 

Review the minutes of the October 7, 2003 Site Plan Review Committee meeting.

 

Review the minutes of the October 14, 2003 and October 28, 2003 City Council meetings.

 

Review the Potential Residential Development Lot Report of October 28, 2003.

 

Chairman Lynn Heath noted the communications accepted as presented.

Communications

 

 

Review the Final Plat of Chance Acres. Roger Cutsinger of Goedecke Engineering presented the final plat on behalf of the owner. Ron Roberts submitted an aerial photo of the area for the committee to use. Roger Cutsinger supplied the committee with a plat with corrections and additions as requested my Les Mangus.

 

Lynn Heath asked if the owner is asking for this property to be annexed into the city. Roger Cutsinger said they are not at this time. Les Mangus said this is property in the City of Andover's extra-territorial subdivision jurisdiction.

 

Roger Cutsinger stated the owner of this property is elderly and is selling or giving this property to some of his family. He said there are 2 homes currently on the property on 130th Street. The west one is scheduled to be removed, the residents of the one on the east 5 acres are interested in buying the house and the 5 acres and is the reason for the split of Lot 2. The remainder of the 66 acres Mr. Chance will continue to farm.

 

Ron Roberts was concerned about the lack of access to the majority of the property in Lot 2. Roger Cutsinger said Mr. Boone is the executor or POA of the estate and has been to The Butler County Planning Board to have the property rezoned to Rural Residential. Roger Cutsinger presented a copy of the County rezoning Resolution. . 

 

Clark Nelson asked what changes were made between the first plan submitted in the packets and the one distributed tonight. Mr. Cutsinger said he changed text to read the Andover City Planning Commission recommending approval to Butler County Commissioners, Butler County Commissioners accept the dedications, changed the net acreage of Lot 1 from 4.75 to 5, and changed the right-of-way dedication to the 50 foot required minimum arterial street.

 

Roger Cutsinger said he has not provided Les with the drainage plan or the title report yet.

 

Lynn Heath asked if the Final Plat applies to the entire property. Mr. Cutsinger said it is for Lots 1 and 2.

 

Les Mangus was concerned about the future development of the tract of land that is 1/2-mile deep south of 130th Street and west of Andover Road that has no internal roads, no roads adjacent to it either. Property owners along Andover Road have between 5 and 20 acre plats that have access to Andover Road.

 

Lynn Heath asked about the strip of land that is in the center of the plan, off of 130th Street. Ron Roberts said that it was a past error made by the County.

 

Clark Nelson said there is a legal theory of "easement by necessity".

 

David Martine asked if a house could be built on Lot 2 now as it is zoned as Rural Residential. Les said there is an existing house on the lot. Roger said there is a house immediately west of Lot 2 that is not in good shape and is planned for demolition, and the house is close to the property line to avoid a problem meeting the 270 foot frontage requirement

 

Lynn Heath said there would have to be an additional 60 feet for a right-of-way road and there would not be room for that. 

 

Clark Nelson asked how close this property is to the Andover City limits. Les Mangus said there is only 175 feet from the corner of Andover Road and 130th Street. Les Mangus said the Planning jurisdiction stops on the south line of this property where Rose Hill picks up.

 

Clark Nelson asked if this property would someday be annexed.

 

Les Mangus said to meet with Andover standards, there would have to be a collector street built at or near the half-mile line, but there is nothing to connect to.

 

Clark Nelson asked Les if he was satisfied with the items subject to the drainage plan and title report. Les said he was not, but did not know of any other options for this property. He said he would rather have dedications for the collector streets and if the owner wants more development in the future, to make proper dedications for additional collector streets.

 

There was general discussion of a 50-foot easement for a half road, then when the adjoining property is developed, to require the other 50 feet at that time. Les Mangus said that adjacent property to the west is only 248 feet wide.

 

 Les Mangus said there is typically a 30 - 35 feet to preserve a hedgerow. If that is done in this case, it will landlocked so the adjoining owner will not have access to the street.

 

Roger Cutsinger said he did not think the owner would mind the dedication for a road.

 

Clark Nelson made a motion to recommend approval to the Planning Commission for the Final Plat of Chance Acres with the following conditions: Submission of the title report, drainage plan, dedicate a 30 foot reserve on the west with the permitted uses being landscaping and access, and a 70 foot road right-of-way, on the south will be a 70 foot strip of right-of-way adjacent to the power line right-of-way. Ron Roberts seconded the motion. Motion carried 4/0.

Review the Final Plat of Chance Acres.

 

 

Member Items: David Martine announced his resignation from the Subdivision Committee due to his schedule difficulty in attending the meetings. Les Mangus asked the members to suggest people who might be interested in serving on both this committed and the Site Plan Review Committee. All nominations for the Site Plan Review Committee are to be submitted to Mayor Lawrence.

Member Items

 

 

A motion was made by David Martine to adjourn the meeting at 6:20 p.m.  Ron Roberts seconded the motion. Motion carried 4/0.

Adjournment

 

 

 

Respectfully Submitted by

 

 

__________________________

Deborah Carroll

Administrative Secretary

 

Approved this 13th day of January 2004 by the Andover City Planning Commission/ Board of Zoning Appeals, City of Andover.