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ANDOVER PLANNING COMMISSION

SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE

January 13, 2004

Minutes

 

The Andover City Subdivision Committee met for a regular meeting on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 909 N. Andover Road in the Andover Civic Center.  Clark Nelson called the meeting to order at 5:40 p.m. Other members present were Lynn Heath and Jan Cox. Others in attendance were Zoning Administrator Les Mangus, Administrative Secretary Deborah Carroll, and City Clerk/Administrator Jeff Bridges.  Committee Member Ron Roberts was absent.

Call to Order

 

 

 

Review the Final PUD Plan of Reflection Lake at Cloud City 2nd Addition. Chris Bohm of Ruggles & Bohm in Wichita, Kansas presented the plan. He said that a year ago he submitted the Final PUD Plan of Reflection Lake at Cloud City 2nd Addition that was a portion of the approved Preliminary PUD of Cloud City, which was a different grouping of mostly multi-family lots. He said the developer has decided this southerly set of lots is what they would like to develop for their Phase 1. The Amended Preliminary PUD was approved 11-19-02. This plan follows the exact configuration of that amended PUD. Tonight is a revised version of Phase 1 of the remaining portion of Reflection Lake at Cloud City that contains all single-family residential lots.

 

Les Mangus gave Mr. Bohm copies of the utility request letters from SBC and Westar Energy regarding easements. Mr. Bohm said these would all be taken care of with the utility companies.

 

There were questions regarding title work and Mr. Bohm said he would supply Les with an up-to-date copy.

 

Chris said the drainage plan has not changed. Les said he has a copy of that. Staff has requested a drainage easement along the rear of the Lots 17 through 24 of Block 4 for rear lot grading. That will be provided. Les said those particular locations coincide with SBC and Westar's requests for additional easement. Chris said any additional off-site easements for a total of 20 feet of easement for any utilities that may go in with this phase would be granted with a separate instrument, as they become necessary.

 

Les Mangus said the sanitary sewers are typically set in the street or street right-of-way, so he does not anticipate any problems.

 

Clark Nelson asked if this property is close to the Flood Plain. Chris said that it is.

 

Clark asked what has been done "design wise" to address that issue. Chris stated there would be a new detention pond built in the reserve adjacent to the west of the plat.

 

Clark asked if this client owns the adjacent property as well. Chris said that he does.

 

Jeff Bridges asked to see a larger print of this property.

 

Les Mangus said from Minneha Avenue north there is an existing improved retention-detention pond. He said that with this phase they would build a second retention-detention pond, in a reserve from the First Addition Plat south of Minneha Avenue. Chris showed the committee the pond to be built in Reserve F. The northerly pond has been built with the original Cloud City PUD 5 or 6 years ago. Along with that, a box culvert was placed under Minneha Avenue and that will continue that drainage plan with this phase.

 

Clark Nelson asked if these homes would have basements. Chris said he was sure they would have them.

 

Clark asked if this property being next to a Flood Plain would be an issue. Chris said it would not be as long as the home is not in a flood plain, which these homes will not be.

 

Les Mangus said that on this plat are set minimum low openings for the lots that are along that lake and they are well above the Base Flood Elevation.

 

Clark Nelson asked for the correct definition of Lowest Opening or the Lowest Living Space. Chris said Lowest opening for areas outside of the Flood Plain. There was general discussion about Base Flood Elevation.

 

Clark asked why the southern part of this subdivision has been developed next. Chris said it was the owner's decision. Les said there was a mass change and name change to Reflection Lake. They zoned the northern strip as multi-family, limited to 2 and 3 family units. So originally the developer had Chris draw up a plat of that area, then they changed their mind to include more single-family housing in the area.

 

Lynn Heath arrived at 5:45 p.m.

 

Clark asked Les if he was satisfied with the plan subject to the items to be supplied by Chris. Les said that he was.

 

Jan Cox asked if it is typical in Andover to name streets "Minneha" and "Minneha Avenue". Les said this sometimes is done with courts. Les agreed with Jan that this street should have its own name to avoid confusion. Chris said he would change the name to something new.

 

Jan asked if this plan has changed much from the preliminary one. Chris said only in the decision by the owners of which lots to plat the final PUD on. He said this plan is geometrically and dimensionally exactly the same as the approved revised Preliminary PUD.

 

Lynn Heath asked if this is Phase 2 of this area. Chris said it is Phase 1 of this area on the far side of the pond. Chris said this is the 2nd Phase construction wise in the whole neighborhood.

 

Lynn Heath asked if there would be a 5-foot sidewalk on the south side of Minneha. Chris said the Preliminary PUD governs this and that Minneha is to have sidewalk on both sides of the street. Chris said there is a provision for a connecting sidewalk by the lake. 

 

Jan Cox asked if the ponds would be kept empty or full. Chris said the only detention is from the static pool. Chris said they would be probably 6 feet deep just like the pond to the north. She asked where the water would be coming from.  Chris said a rainstorm would fill it then the stream will keep it full.

 

Les Mangus explained the detention/ retention pool design. He said that "retention" means it will hold the water there permanently and "detention" means it slows the water down as it passes through. He said that during a heavy rain, the water will rise up and there is a structure that controls the rate of flow so it lowers slowly back down to the retention pool. He said you control the rate of flow, not the amount.

 

Chris said the hydraulic study was submitted to the city.

 

Clark Nelson asked if the drainage plans are recorded with the Register of Deeds like the plats. Les said the drainage plans are kept permanently with the file of the plat in city hall but not recorded at the county. Chris said they also have on file a 4-corner lot-grading plan for the subdivision.

 

Jan Cox asked if this will have curb and gutter and internal drainage or by land leveling. Chris said it is curb and gutter streets with storm sewer systems, inlets and pipes. The inlets and pipes lead into the pond. Les said there will be some grading along the back of the lots and that will lead to an area inlet or lead directly to a pond.

 

Clark Nelson made a motion to recommend approval for the Final PUD Plan of Reflection Lake at Cloud City 2nd Addition contingent on satisfaction of staff comments which include the name change of Minneha street, updated title work and final drainage plan. Jan Cox seconded the motion. Motion carried 2/0/1 with Lynn Heath abstaining.  

Review the Final PUD Plan of Reflection Lake at Cloud City 2nd Addition.

 

 

Chance Acres Final Plat returned from Butler County.

Les Mangus submitted to the Committee, copies of comments he just received from Butler County Planning Commission and Butler County Planning Staff, asking for clarification on the Chance Acres plat. They want a definition of the reserves, specifically that those reserves allow public street connections and they want to put access control on the southwest 130 th Street frontages to limit those to 1 opening per lot. The county also wants some sort of guarantee that there can be a public street connection to the adjacent properties to the west and south. Les does not have a problem with it. Les has sent some recommendations to Goedecke Engineering on language that could be used to hopefully satisfy the county.

 

Lynn Heath was concerned about taking all the land from this one guy and the owners from the other 2 sections are not losing anything. Les agreed. Les said that to preserve the hedgerow you always end up in that situation.

 

Clark Nelson asked if there is any action to be taken on this case. Les said there is not, but this plat will show up on the agenda for the next Planning Commission meeting.

Chance Acres Final Plat returned from Butler County

 

 

Review the minutes of the November 11, 2003 Subdivision Committee meeting.

 

Clark Nelson made a motion to approve the minutes as submitted. Lynn Heath seconded the motion. Motion carried 3/0.

Review the minutes of the November 11, 2003 Subdivision Committee meeting

 

 

Member Items: Clark Nelson welcomed Jan Cox to the Subdivision Committee.

 

Lynn Heath said a correction needs to be made in the minutes of the December 16, 2003 Planning Commission meeting on page 6, question 16, the word "subjective" should be "objective".

Member Items

 

 

Jan Cox made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 6:10 p.m.   Lynn Heath seconded the motion. Motion carried 3/0.

 

Ron Roberts arrived at the meeting at 6:10.

 

Adjournment

 

Respectfully Submitted by

 

__________________________

Deborah Carroll

Administrative Secretary

 

Approved this 13th day of February 2004 by the Subdivision Committee, City of Andover.