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ANDOVER PLANNING COMMISSION

SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE

September 14, 2004

Minutes

 

The Andover City Subdivision Committee met for a regular meeting on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 909 N. Andover Road in the Andover Civic Center.  Acting Chairperson Clark Nelson called the meeting to order at 5:37 p.m. Other members present were, Ron Roberts, Charlotte Bass and Jan Cox. Others in attendance were Zoning Administrator Les Mangus, Administrative Secretary Deborah Carroll, and City Clerk/Administrator Jeff Bridges. 

Call to Order

 

 

 

Review the minutes of the August 10, 2004 Subdivision Committee. Ron Roberts stated Clark Nelson should be noted as “Acting Chair” in the absence of Lynn Heath. Ron further said on page 2 of the minutes, “Street Dedications” should be “Street Right-of-Way Dedications”, and also on page 2 “Cindy” should be clarified as “Cindy Ball”.

 

Ron Roberts made a motion to approve the minutes as corrected. Charlotte Bass seconded the motion. Motion carried 4/0.

Review the minutes of the August 10, 2004 Subdivision Committee.

 

 

Communications:

Review the City Council minutes from the August 10, 2004 meeting. The minutes were received and filed.

 

Review the minutes of the September 7, 2004 Site Plan Review Committee Meeting. The minutes were received and filed.

 

Review the minutes of the August 17, 2004 Planning Commission meeting. The minutes were received and filed.

 

Review the Potential Residential Development Lot Report.

Communications:

 

 

Clark Nelson made a motion to move the election of officers to the end of the meeting. Charlotte Bass seconded the motion. Motion carried 4/0.

 

 

 

Review the Final PUD Plan for the Fourth Phase of the Crescent Lakes PUD. Owner Bob Whittaker, and Kenny Hill of Poe and Associates presented the PUD plan. Clark Nelson stated in the memo from Les, this proposed final plan incorporates a portion of the 80 acres added to the Crescent Lakes PUD by the recent amendment with a slightly revised version of the Phase 1 Final PUD that was approved some months ago. The plan appears to accomplish all of the requirements established with the preliminary PUD amendment.

 

Kenny Hill & Bob Whittaker said Intrust Bank is the mortgage holder on the property and this will be added to the plat.

 

Kenny Hill said the title report has been ordered and will be submitted when it is received. He further stated the drainage plan has been provided. Les said that Kenny has reworked this plan to satisfy staff comments.

 

There was general discussion about having some workshops to help the committee understand the planning process and documents better.

 

Kenny Hill said he raised the grades of the houses along Woodstone Drive and raised the inlet up so the water would run over the curb before it goes over the basement view out windows. Les said that if the storm sewer absolutely failed at that location the water would rise up within 1 foot of those view-out window elevations, and then it would naturally vent out over the ground and into the street.

 

Kenny Hill said quite a bit of water will be stored in the sump area behind the lots and that the plan has been designed to withstand a 100 year storm. Les explained that a 100 year storm means that there is a 1% chance in any given year that you will have that rate of runoff (inches per hour). 3 times this year, the rain has exceeded that amount.

 

Les said that the only other problem he had with the plan is the existing house on the Johnson property. As it functions today the water at the 100 year storm comes up within a few inches of the basement walk-out grade. Kenny has modified the dam in Reserve F to get it to where the 100 year storm is 1 foot below that basement floor. He lowered the existing water level in the lake to make a foot of clearance between the design water surface and the low point of the existing home on Lot 5 of Lakecrest Drive. Kenny Hill said Parcels A & B have now been labeled. Les said this labeling was necessary to distinguish between the 2 legal descriptions, new ownership, and slightly different PUD Parcel regulations. Parcel A is part of the existing development, Parcel B is part of the new 80 acres.

 

Clark Nelson asked if additional sewer easement is required on Lots 1-5, Block 1 of Parcel A. Les said this is the Reserve on the west side and there is existing sewer on that side that will be connected to. Kenny said the sewer would be installed into the Reserve area rather than providing an easement from the lots. Kenny is concerned Lot 4 on Crescent Lakes Court would not be deep enough to allow for the sewer easement in the rear yard.

 

Kenny Hill said he corrected the lot lines of Parcel A & B for match line and sheet 2 of 3 has been corrected.

 

Les said that Kenny Hill will work directly with Westar Energy to satisfy their request for easements. He will let them know that all of the reserves are designated for utility lines. Kenny wants to assure there is enough back yard for the lots that is clear of utilities.

 

Ron Roberts was concerned about the provisions for sidewalks. He thought the Planning Commission approved an 8’ sidewalk along Crescent Lakes Drive out to Andover Road. Kenny said there will be a 5’ sidewalk from Lakecrest Drive up to Reserve I where a swimming pool is planned where it will change to an 8’ sidewalk and extend to Lakecrest Drive, then will be 8’ all the way over to where they meet the existing development. There was general discussion about the agreement for sidewalk width in this plan.

 

Jan Cox read from the minutes of the June 15, 2004 Planning Commission meeting: “Clark Nelson asked Bob to summarize the changes he has incorporated since the last Subdivision Committee meeting. Bob said the only change is on Crescent Lakes Drive off of Andover Road there is 1 block of existing 5' sidewalk, which will be extended as 8' all the way into the new area.” Les said the agreement for the 8’ sidewalk was discussed but it did not make it into the motion for approval. Jeff Bridges said his understanding was for everything new along the collector street would be 8’ sidewalks. Les said the removal & replacement of the sidewalk out to Andover Road could mean a $15,000 difference in cost.

 

Charlotte Bass made a motion to recommend approval to the Planning Commission for the Final PUD Plan for the Fourth Phase of the Crescent Lakes PUD with the satisfaction of the staff comments as presented. Jan Cox seconded the motion. Motion carried 4/0.

Review the Final PUD Plan for the Fourth Phase of the Crescent Lakes PUD.

 

 

 

Review the Final Plat for the River Subdivision, a replat of portions of the Allen Bales Tracts, Gene Hancock, and Carl Mitchell Addition located at US-54 and Daisy Street. Les said the existing zoning on this tract of land is mostly B-5 Highway Business District, some is B-3 Central Shopping, and another portion has applied for a special use to construct a country store. Owner Hal McCoy has chosen to leave the zoning as is and let future tenants apply for changes as needed. Les said PUD’s are too restrictive for some prospective business owners by limiting the permitted uses.

 

There was general discussion about PUD and zoning regulations, uses, and the amount of flexibility in them.

 

Kenny Hill of Poe and Associates representing the owner Hal McCoy, said that Mr. McCoy could have built this country store with only the special use permit, but he has gone the extra step to put in the 3-4 million dollar infrastructures all at once with no phases. This will be paid for by special assessments.

 

Clark Nelson asked Kenny Hill to respond to the comments made by Les. Kenny said the frontage road has been dedicated as a public right-of-way and has been redesigned to allow for truck traffic through the parking area. This will be right-in and right-out. The drive has been widened to 40’ and some of the existing pavement will be used for parking. Les said all these lots will have cross-lot circulation which is very important in commercial developments.

 

Les explained the platters text which allows any of the traffic to cross over the lot lines. No curbs or fences are allowed that would prohibit traffic from going from one lot to the other. Les said our Subdivision Regulations allow street parking.

 

Les said that Pointer Drive should be changed to Cloud Avenue to line up with the existing Cloud Avenue. Jan Cox said that in several towns, street names change at intersections. There was continued discussion about street names. Les was concerned about changing the name of Daisy Street from Hwy. 54 to the dead end of the commercial development.

 

Ron Roberts said some homeowners have contacted him with their desire of access into the development without having to get onto the main roads. Kenny Hill said it is planned for access from the neighborhood into the rear of the commercial lots. Les said that staff is recommending against that because the commercial traffic would then have access to the gravel streets. Kenny said that emergency fencing could be installed for fire/police access.

 

There was discussion about whether the name is Daisy Street or Daisy Lane. Les said that access into this development is only 1 block away on Allen Street. Kenny said Pointer Drive would be changed to Cloud Avenue and that another name for Daisy Street in the commercial area would be chosen by the next planning commission meeting.

 

Kenny said that Dave Matson wants to open the garden center in this development on April 15, 2005.

 

Clark Nelson asked about the highway building setbacks of 150’ to the centerline of US-54 & 200’ to the centerline of US-54 respectively. Kenny Hill said that what is shown on the plan is the section line and it is not the same as the center line, so he plotted the  taper and compared it with the building setback lines that were shown, which would exceed the building setback lines by ½ foot on one side and 1 foot on the other. Les said the Corridor Management Agreement with KDOT says we will implement a 150’ setback line from the center of the highway except within 1,000 feet of an intersection, and then 200’ setback from the centerline of the highway, The section line does not match the center line of the highway and is 0.058 meters offset in the alignment and it would be too confusing to try to integrate that small taper amount into the setbacks.

 

Clark Nelson asked about the title report and final drainage plan. Kenny Hill said the title report has been ordered and the drainage plans has been reviewed by Les and includes a change to extend the storm sewer curb inlet so that Lot 3 could be served by storm sewer. Les said they don’t want the big commercial lots to be draining their entire parking lot out their driveway cut.

 

Clark Nelson asked where the water will go during a heavy rain. Kenny Hill said most of this site will drain into the detention ponds. There is a storm sewer system on the east side of the development that will accommodate the runoff from the parking lots on the east side along Andover Road. Les said that the drainage has been modified so it is the same rate of runoff in post-development as it was pre-development. Kenny did not research the runoff on the east side because that area will be reconstructed during the US-54/Andover Road project. Les said the whole area runs north up Andover Road to US-54 and then east over to the creek that runs south out of the Dillons lot. Les said that in the Bales neighborhood, there will continue to be water runoff coming down through the area between Daisy and Allen Streets. Kenny Hill said that water is being slowed down by the construction of the ponds in this addition. Les said there is a good amount of off-site drainage that comes across the Highway from the Andover Village Addition. 

 

Clark asked if a restrictive covenant would be necessary. Les stated Hal McCoy will have some kind of covenant, but he has not seen it yet. Kenny Hill said they will try to provide it at the next Planning Commission meeting. Les said it will require all the owners be jointly responsible for the maintenance of the parking and reserve areas, drainage, cross-lot access and architectural compatibility. Kenny said he has prepared petitions on this and the cost sharing is set up to be a percent of the actual lot area of each of the tracts.

 

Kenny said there will continue to be an access easement south of the Diamond Shamrock to the Carney property from Lot 3. He further stated as part of the Andover Road and Kellogg project, they have provided an access easement through this area that has been extended to reach the Carney property.

 

Kenny Hill said he has modified the lot line of Lot 1 Block 2, to meet the required 100’ minimum lot width for the B-5 zone.

 

Charlotte Bass made a motion to recommend approval to the Planning Commission of the River at Andover Final Plat subject to the staff comments. Ron Roberts seconded the motion. Motion carried 4/0.

Review the Final Plat for the River Subdivision, a replat of portions of the Allen Bales Tracts, Gene Hancock, and Carl Mitchell Addition located at US-54 and Daisy Street.

 

 

 

Election of officers. Clark Nelson said he would accept the position of Chairperson of the Subdivision Committee if no one else wanted to serve. Jan Cox agreed to the position of Vice Chairperson. Les said that no Secretary position is necessary for this committee.

Election of Officers

 

 

Member Items: Clark Nelson said he would work with Les to schedule 2-3 Planning Commission workshops to explain the basics of platting, drainage, and PUD’s. The entire Subdivision Committee agreed they need the information.

Member Items

 

 

Charlotte Bass made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 7:03 p.m. Jan Cox seconded the motion. Motion carried 4/0.

Adjournment

 

 

 

Respectfully Submitted by

 

 

__________________________

Deborah Carroll

Administrative Secretary

 

Approved this 12th day of October 2004 by the Subdivision Committee, City of Andover.