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ANDOVER PLANNING COMMISSION

SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE

October 11, 2005

Minutes

 

The Andover City Subdivision Committee met for a regular meeting on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 909 N. Andover Road in the Andover Civic Center. Chairman Clark Nelson called the meeting to order at 5:30 p.m. Other members present were Ron Roberts and Jan Cox. Others in attendance were Zoning Administrator Les Mangus, and Administrative Secretary Deborah Carroll. Commission Member Charlotte Bass and City Clerk/Administrator Jeff Bridges were absent.

Call to Order

 

 

 

Review the minutes of the September 13, 2005 Subdivision Committee.

 

Ron Roberts made a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Clark Nelson seconded the motion. Motion carried 2/0/1 with Jan Cox abstaining.

Review the minutes of the September 13, 2005 Subdivision Committee

 

 

Communications:

Review the City Council minutes from the September 13, 2005 and September 27, 2005 meetings. The minutes were received and filed.

 

Review the minutes of the October 4, 2005 Site Plan Review Committee Meeting. The minutes were received and filed.

 

Review the minutes of the September 20, 2005 Planning Commission meeting. The minutes were received and filed.

 

Review the Potential Residential Development Lot Report.

Communications

 

 

Review the Final Plat of the Montana Hills 2nd Addition.

Les Mangus explained that this final plat is the second and final phase of the Montana Hills Addition which was submitted in 1998. The plat is in compliance with the preliminary plat, and only has minor changes in lot sizes from the final plat that was reviewed with the 1st phase. The staff comments from the checklist can be satisfied before acceptance by the City Council.

 

Kenny Hill from Poe & Associates said the street configuration is similar to the Preliminary Plat. Adjustments were made to increase lot size creating minimum 90’ frontage on the 33 lots proposed on this Final Plat. The lots have also been renumbered for Phase 2.

 

Kenny Hill said the electric utility is requesting a change of the 20’ drainage easement to “drainage and utility easement”. He also said there has been a request to provide a 10’ easement across the north lot line of Lot 11. He said they would like to eliminate the easement on the south side and replace it with the one on the north.

 

Les noted this property is serviced by Butler Rural Electric.

 

Kenny Hill said the flood plain encroaches 9’ x 20’ into Lot 1 of Block 3 and will be noted on the Final Plat, and the Planning Commission Secretary name will be changed.

 

Les Mangus said the 20’ drainage and utility easement is not enough considering the hedgerow. Kenny said he would speak to the developer about additional easement on lots 1-4 of Block 3 but was not sure about the south side of Lot 14 of Block 2.

 

Ron Roberts asked about sidewalks in this development. Les Mangus said there are no platted collector streets and explained there are no mile line arterial streets platted. All subdivisions along Harry Street are platted with loop streets or long cul-de-sacs because of the floodplain & Four Mile Creek. Kenny Hill said no sidewalks were platted in the first phase of Montana Hills. Logan Pass is a residential loop street.  Les said Cascade Point is a stubbed in street to the south for access to the property adjacent to Four Mile Creek.

 

There was general discussion about the drainage plan.

 

Jan Cox asked if it was too late to negotiate for sidewalks in this development. Les said the developers agreements have already been signed and recorded during Phase 1 and the improvements are already in place. There was discussion about the school bus route in this development. Discussion continued about the need for sidewalks in this area.

 

Ron Roberts made a motion to recommend approval for the final plat of Montana Hills 2nd Addition as presented. Ron Roberts and Jan Cox restated their opposition to the lack of sidewalks.  Clark Nelson seconded the motion. Motion carried 3/0.

Review the Final Plat of the Montana Hills 2nd Addition.

 

 

 

Review the Serendipity Estates Preliminary Planned Unit Development Plan located at 200 N. 159th Street.

Property owner Bob Kaplan asked to be notified sooner of the meetings. Russ Ewy of Baughman Company represented Mr. Kaplan to present this plan.

 

Chairman Nelson invited David Cox to join the discussion at the table. David and Jan Cox own property abutting the south side of Serendipity Estates.

 

Russ Ewy said the preliminary plan has been revised to reflect the discussion at last month’s meeting regarding utility locations, access, and maintenance of common property. Russ said the property line needed to be extended south to join up with the south line of the property, instead of chopping them up as individual reserves, and to designate it as an access easement. He asked that utility easements be recorded with separate documents. He said this plan shows the 10’ utility easement along the south property line as requested by Westar Energy.

 

Les asked if the 50’ along the south would be designated as reserve. Les said this easement would run to 5 property owners. The owner with the least need for the driveway would assume the most responsibility for it. Russ said they are trying to limit access points along 159th Street. Bob Kaplan said he would design the easement any way Les wanted it. Russ said they could be platted as 4 separate reserves. There was discussion about maintenance of the road by a Homeowner’s Association. Bob Kaplan reminded the committee that this is a private road and will not be maintained by the city. 

 

Jan Cox was concerned that there is no plan to pave this road. She said the dust will be a problem. Bob Kaplan said the road is in good shape now and there will not be much traffic on it with only 4 houses.

 

Les said there will be 10 trips per day per home along this driveway approach. Les was concerned about trash service and delivery vehicles for lot 5. Bob Kaplan said they don’t travel along there now.

 

Les was concerned about the drainage plan routing water from the break line of lots 1 & 2 across lots 2 & 3 and into the pond. Additional space will be needed to maintain drainage along the road. Bob Kaplan said he would rely on engineers to design the appropriate drainage plan. Les said the drainage across Lot 2 needs to be protected by an easement.

 

Les said the fire code will require at least a 20’ wide road. If there is a structure built that is over 30’ tall, the fire code will require there to be 26’ wide of hard surface access road. Bob Kaplan said to obtain that width of road would require removal of the existing mature trees along the north and south sides of the road.  Les said the law requires public access for fire protection there must be a 20’ wide driving surface. Russ Ewy suggested additional easement to the north for drainage purposes. Les said that would remove 9 trees.

 

Les said there would be 3 points of driveway access with a minimum 12” culvert at each one. On top of the 12” culvert will be 12” of cover. At a 4 to 1 slope that ditch will be a minimum of 8’ wide. There was discussion about the need for a ditch on the south. There is not one on the south now. Bob Kaplan said the road is currently crowned and water drains both north and south.

 

David Cox said he saw no reason for a ditch on the south side of the road.

 

David Cox asked about the increase in runoff once houses are built on this property. Les said the difference would be minute.

 

Les said the final drainage plan needs to show the amount and rate of runoff. Russ said that it was delivered to Les on Friday; Les said he has not had time to review it.

 

Clark Nelson asked Russ Ewy if the existing height of the road would be maintained during this development. Russ said that it would be.

 

Les Mangus asked for a brief explanation of the final drainage plan. Russ Ewy said the net effect of runoff is no different from the existing site. Les asked if the existing 12” pipe will carry the 100-year storm. Russ said that it will and there may be a small expansion of the pond. There was general discussion about 100-year storms.

 

Bob Kaplan said he does not want to remove any of the existing trees along the road.  David Cox agreed with him. Les said if the existing trees are to be maintained the road may have to be moved to the north and remove the line of trees on the north side. Discussion continued about the required width of this road. Jan Cox was concerned about 2 lane traffic on this road. Bob Kaplan said by using a PUD allows him to preserve unique characteristics in the subdivision such as the unpaved narrow road in a 5 lot plat.

 

David Cox listed his concerns:

  1. Pond sites and water detention. He understands flow change will be minimal.
  2. 12” Culverts issue discussed.
  3. Deeper ditch on the north side.
  4. Maintaining road height.
  5. Dirt road- Homeowner Association maintenance agreement. He and Jan prefer the road be paved to avoid the dust issue.
  6. Emergency vehicle access- discussed.
  7. Pad height of the sites. Bob Kaplan said the houses won’t be facing the south if they are designed with walk-out or view-out basements. He thinks the homes will be built on the north end of the lots where the sewer lines are run. Les said pad height is 3’-4’ higher than the south property line.
  8. Concern about the depletion of the existing water table when the new homeowners drill irrigation wells. There was discussion about where the municipal water line would be run and about the size of the lines. Bob Kaplan said it would be 347’ south of his south line, just south of the Cox south property.  Les said the line would have to run across the frontage of this property to run back to Parcel 5. Bob Kaplan said he would like to have Parcels 4 & 5 get water access from Lakeside Drive. Les said 280’ of open trench is cheaper than boring through the berm.  Bob said he wants city water and sewer for all these lots.

 

Jan Cox restated this road should be paved.

 

There was discussion about the language to address drainage and maintenance needed to be in the covenant. Les said the draft of this document needs to be to him by October 13th.

 

Clark Nelson made a motion to recommend approval of Serendipity Estates PUD as presented with the following conditions:

1. Terms and conditions of the Homeowner’s Association.

2. Engineering of drainage and access issues.

3. Fire code requirements for an access road.

4. Keeping the trees on the south side of the drive as existing.

5. Submit final drainage plan.

6. Surface of driveway issue deferred to the Planning Commission.

Ron Roberts seconded the motion. Motion carried 3/0.

Review the Serendipity Estates Preliminary Planned Unit Development Plan located at 200 N. 159th Street.

 

 

Member Items: none

Member Items

 

 

 

 

Ron Roberts made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 6:50 p.m. Clark Nelson seconded the motion. Motion carried 3/0.

 

Adjournment

 

Respectfully Submitted by

 

 

__________________________

Deborah Carroll

Administrative Secretary

 

Approved this 14th day of February 2006 by the Subdivision Committee, City of Andover.